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CAO Information Evening l l All Information is in CAO Handbook and Website. Dates CAO Information Evening l l All Information is in CAO Handbook and Website. Dates and Following CAO Procedure very Important. Students are all familiar with all of this information. Familiarise Parents with main points of CAO Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 7

Decision Making l l Your Choice Opening Doors and Opportunities Combination of Ability , Decision Making l l Your Choice Opening Doors and Opportunities Combination of Ability , Aptitude and Interest Happy and Content with Decisions Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 8

Key points in Applying to 3 rd level l l Centralised Application System for Key points in Applying to 3 rd level l l Centralised Application System for 3 rd level Institutions. Every 6 th Year has a pack since September containing all of application and course information and familiar with websites Application Process has many stages and these must be adhered to or YOU Could LOSE YOUR COURSE PLACE NB late CAO 1 st May but can’t apply restricted courses Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 9

Timetable of CAO Events November 3 rd CAO online Application Facility opens January 20 Timetable of CAO Events November 3 rd CAO online Application Facility opens January 20 th apply online by this date , avail of discount price of 25 euro. Free change of mind until Jan 31 st Feb 1 1 February closing date up until 5. 15 Cost 40 euro NB must have Restricted Courses in Application( Feb 5 th can amend courses up until 1 st March but charge 10 euro) March/April Tests and auditions for restricted courses Closing date for HEAR/DARE Applications Change of Mind facility opens NBBreda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 Statement of Application Record May 5 th Before End May 10

Continued CAO Dates July 1 st 5. 15 pm Change of mind online facility Continued CAO Dates July 1 st 5. 15 pm Change of mind online facility closes. Mid August Leaving Cert results are issued (expected 13 th August) 18 th August (expected date) round 1 offers are issued. 25 th Aug (expected date) offers must be accepted 27 th of August Round 2 offers [opportunity to view scripts: Early September] Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 11

Restricted Courses l l l Care must be taken with courses that are marked Restricted Courses l l l Care must be taken with courses that are marked restricted these are marked clearly in handbook These courses cannot be applied for after 1 st of February because they have extra assessments eg some art courses, medicine, music and architecture. (clearly marked) Can Be amended 10 euro fee from 5 February to 1 st March Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 12

Timely Action l l In order to be fair to all applicants , closing Timely Action l l In order to be fair to all applicants , closing dates are strict and therefore action should be taken in good time Do not leave everything to the last minute Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 13

Choosing Courses Research l l l Research each course carefully from prospectus , websites Choosing Courses Research l l l Research each course carefully from prospectus , websites and visiting college etc Consult with your Guidance Counsellor Discuss with family and friends Websites: CAO, Qualifax. ie , Careersportal. ie (Reach Programme) College websites etc. Careerdirections. ie , Steps. ie Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 14

It is the applicants responsibility to: l l l Research thoroughly all courses for It is the applicants responsibility to: l l l Research thoroughly all courses for which he/she is making an application Be familiar with all aspects of application system Better if candidates are around themselves in August to accept college offers etc Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 15

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College Entry Requirements l General College Requirements: l Degree[Hons] [Level 8] requirements: l Cert[Level College Entry Requirements l General College Requirements: l Degree[Hons] [Level 8] requirements: l Cert[Level 6]/Pass Degree[Level 7] Requirements: l Specific Course Requirements: l Points Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 17

Basic College Subject Level 8[Hons Degree] IT 2 Requirements. HC 3 s and 4 Basic College Subject Level 8[Hons Degree] IT 2 Requirements. HC 3 s and 4 OD 3 sof Education= or University [TCD and Colleges 3 HC 3 s and 3 OD 3 s] level 7 courses 2 Hs+4 Os NUI Colleges 2 Hs + 4 Os, require a pass 3 languages [Irish, English and a Modern Language] no lang requirement for Science, Engineering or Nursing courses Primary Teaching 3 Hs + 3 Os Level 7[Pass Degree ] IT usually 5 OD 3 s Pass in English/Irish and Maths Level 6[Higher Certificate] 5 OD 3 s IT usually Pass in English/Irish and Maths Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 Breda Whelan: March 2014 18

Subject Requirements l Maths, English & Irish - most commonly required. l A 3 Subject Requirements l Maths, English & Irish - most commonly required. l A 3 rd Language is required by the NUI Colleges. Except Science, engineering and nursing l Most Business courses state a requirement in Maths - not a business subject! l An Art portfolio is required for most art related courses - Art itself is not always a requirement! l A minimum of one science subject is required for the following fields: l Nursing, Medical/paramedical, Science, Engineering Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 19

POINTS ALLOCATION Grade A 1 A 2 B 1 B 2 B 3 Honours POINTS ALLOCATION Grade A 1 A 2 B 1 B 2 B 3 Honours 100 90 85 80 75 C 1 C 2 C 3 70 65 60 D 1 D 2 D 3 l l Ordinary 60 50 45 40 35 30 25 20 55 50 45 Honours maths extra 25 points LCVP Distinction 70 points Merit 50 points Pass 30 points 15 10 5 Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 20

Summary College Requirements: l NUI Colleges : NUIG, NUIM, UCC&UCD 2 H&4 O including Summary College Requirements: l NUI Colleges : NUIG, NUIM, UCC&UCD 2 H&4 O including 3 langs(Eng, Irish&lang) except science, nursing or engineering courses l l Trinity: 3 H&3 O including Eng, Irish/Lang and Maths DCU: 2 H &4 O including Eng/irish and Maths UL: 2 H&4 O including Eng, Irish/Lang and Maths IT: Eng/Irish and Maths Level 8 (2 H&4 O) Level 6/7 (5 OD) Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 21

Levels 6, 7 and 8 l l l Students have 20 choices in CAO Levels 6, 7 and 8 l l l Students have 20 choices in CAO 10 choices from level 8 courses and 10 from of level 6 and 7 courses Each list of 10 choices are treated independently In August Students will hopefully get 2 offers 1 offer from level 8 choice and 1 offer from level 6 choice Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 22

Importance of Career Planning l l Student may get 2 offers from CAO Important Importance of Career Planning l l Student may get 2 offers from CAO Important that you make your choices carefully E. g you could be offered your 5 th Choice from your level 8 choices or your 1 st choice from your level 6/7 choice What do you choose? Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 23

HPAT test for medicine l l l Medicine in Ireland is now a restricted HPAT test for medicine l l l Medicine in Ireland is now a restricted course Students cannot apply for medicine unless they have sat the HPAT Register to sit HPAT 4 th November to 20 th January you must have applied to CAO first as need a CAO number Exam is on 1 st March only at number of locations (2. 5 hours multiple choice) Results are out in 23 rd June Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 24

CAO Application 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. Online CAO Application 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. Online application is very straight forward Students have all done draft on online Personal information Educational Information Choices Any other relevant information Payment visa , laser or bank HEAR and DARE sections Access Routes: by colleges not in HEAR/DARE NB everything required is filled in properly as you could lose your place in college in August. NB: check statement of record is correct in May Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 25

CAO application l l Remember 20 choices, 10 choices level 8 list and 10 CAO application l l Remember 20 choices, 10 choices level 8 list and 10 choices level 6/7 list Your choices on one list do not affect the other. Treated as two independent separate lists Don’t lose your CAO number or forget your password. Keep it safe Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 26

NB: May Statement of Application Record l l This notifies you the candidate of NB: May Statement of Application Record l l This notifies you the candidate of what information CAO has about you on file eg courses applied for etc. If you have not heard from them by 1 June contact them immediately. This is totally your responsibility and this is where mistakes are made Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 27

Order of Preference l l l Most important thing to be learnt tonight is: Order of Preference l l l Most important thing to be learnt tonight is: ORDER OF PREFERENCE Place your course choice in genuine order of preference! To do otherwise would be a grave mistake NB nobody knows what the points are for any course it solely depends on the demand for the course Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 28

Genuine Preference l l Course that are popular will generally have high points. Points Genuine Preference l l Course that are popular will generally have high points. Points have no bearing on the difficulty or the value of any course. Do not make choices based on predictions of next years cut off points or their own point scores. Put down what you genuinely want not what you think you will get. Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 29

The Offer Process: l l Your offer notice may contain an offer l for The Offer Process: l l Your offer notice may contain an offer l for a Level 8 course l or a Level 7/6 course l or both If you receive two offers at the same time you may only accept one of them. If you wish to accept an offer of a place you must carry out the instructions on the offer notice before 5. 15 pm on the closing date for acceptance printed on the offer notice. Deferral Procedure Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 30

How Places are Allocated l l We will look just at Level 8 courses, How Places are Allocated l l We will look just at Level 8 courses, but exactly the same process will take place with Level 7/6 courses, and at the same time. The importance of you, the applicant, placing courses in genuine order of preference will become apparent in the following slides. Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 31

These are the applicants for CK 101 Arts in UCC. The examination results have These are the applicants for CK 101 Arts in UCC. The examination results have not yet been released, so these applicants are in no particular order. We are going to trace the progress of the applicant marked in red. Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 32

Applicants are placed in a queue for each course they applied for, their position Applicants are placed in a queue for each course they applied for, their position in the queue is determined by their points. The applicant with the highest points is placed at the top of the queue. The points achieved by the applicant in red determines his position in the queue for each course Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 33 he applied to.

The applicants marked in green have enough points to be offered places. The applicant The applicants marked in green have enough points to be offered places. The applicant marked in red has enough points for his second preference. Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 34

The applicant in red is offered his second preference, the highest preference course that The applicant in red is offered his second preference, the highest preference course that he has enough points for, and he will now disappear from the queue in all his lower choices. Placing DN 201 as his second preference meant that he would prefer to receive an offer on DN 201 than on any other course except CK 101 - which is his first preference. Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 35

Having been offered his second preference he must now decide to accept it or Having been offered his second preference he must now decide to accept it or to do nothing. If he does not accept the offer the place will be offered to another applicant in the next round of offers. Regardless of whether he accepts or not he will still be considered for an offer on his first preference if a place becomes available. In the second round, one more offer was made on CK 101 and our applicant is now at the top of the queue. Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 36

Genuine Order of Preference • You do not need to guess what the points Genuine Order of Preference • You do not need to guess what the points are going to be for the courses you are interested in. • Simply list your courses in genuine order of preference from the highest preference 1, to the lowest preference 10. • If you are entitled to an offer, you will be offered the highest preference that you are entitled to. Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 37

Places Allocation Notes of Importance: l l The position of a course in a Places Allocation Notes of Importance: l l The position of a course in a student’s preference order does not in any way affect their chance of getting a place on that course. The exact same procedure takes place for both lists on the form, hence students may get 2 offers in August – one from each list, may accept only one. Students should think carefully about not accepting one of these offers, as they may not receive any further offers. Regardless of whether or not they accept a course in round 1, they will still be offered a higher preference course in subsequent rounds if they become entitled one. Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 38

Alternative Entry to College l l A new awards system for further education and Alternative Entry to College l l A new awards system for further education and training at levels 1 -6 was introduced in 2012 The new awards system will be known as CAS Common Awards System fully integrated by Jan 2014 A new scoring system (on higher Education Links Scheme) NB 20% of all CAO applicants have level 5 or 6 fetac award Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 39

Examples of popular PLC colleges: l. Ennis Community College l. Limerick l. Galway l. Examples of popular PLC colleges: l. Ennis Community College l. Limerick l. Galway l. Cork College of Futher Education Technical Institute College of Commerce v. Students apply directly to the COLLEGES for these places not the CAO Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 40

Examples of popular PLC courses: l l l Beauty and Alternative Therapies Accounting Technician Examples of popular PLC courses: l l l Beauty and Alternative Therapies Accounting Technician Nursing Studies Social Studies Sports and Recreation Car Maintenance Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 41

Higher Education Link Scheme ( CAS/FETAC) l Universities only offer places from a reserved Higher Education Link Scheme ( CAS/FETAC) l Universities only offer places from a reserved quota IT’s generally accept applications based on any CAS or FETAC award in open competition with Leaving Cert Candidates. Can get up to 400 points!! There are 38 higher Institutions involved l Information on CAO website l l l Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 42

NOTE: l Not all courses in the universities accept a CAS/FETAC qualification as an NOTE: l Not all courses in the universities accept a CAS/FETAC qualification as an entry requirement eg. No FETAC entry for Medicine l It is listed clearly listed now whether a CAS/FETAC entry route is available or not. Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 43

Example of Pathway 2: l Another difference is that the. CAS/ FETAC course does Example of Pathway 2: l Another difference is that the. CAS/ FETAC course does not necessarily HAVE to be linked in content to the HEI course they are applying to HOWEVER some do require specific FETAC courses. l Example: Early Childhood Care and Education in ITT (Level 8) requires a specific FETAC award in Childcare HOWEVER the level 7 entry to the same course will accept ANY FETAC award. Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 44

Other Alternatives: l l l l Apprenticeships and trade Difficult to get an apprenticeship Other Alternatives: l l l l Apprenticeships and trade Difficult to get an apprenticeship at the moment Construction Practice Course lead apprentice or Technician Agricultural Colleges The Gardai , keep an eye on Publicjobs. ie for advice recruitment Cadets : 3 HD + 3 ODs UCAS: English System, academic , personal Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 45

Postgraduate Entry: l Postgraduate study is a Level 9 qualification and can only be Postgraduate Entry: l Postgraduate study is a Level 9 qualification and can only be done once a student has a Level 8 Honours Degree. l The postgraduate route is an opportunity to allow students specialise in an area eg. Clinical Psychology. Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 46

Postgraduate Entries: l l However, Postgraduate Entry can also allow access to courses that Postgraduate Entries: l l However, Postgraduate Entry can also allow access to courses that students may not have been able to get because points were so high. Example: The 18 month Grad Dip in Primary Teaching is available for graduates of all disciplines but students must still have their HC 3 in Irish. This is also available in the UK. Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 47

Worth Noting! Some Postgrad Entry to courses require SPECIFIC undergrad degrees therefore the undergrad Worth Noting! Some Postgrad Entry to courses require SPECIFIC undergrad degrees therefore the undergrad you choose now is important. l Example: Grad Entry to OT and Speech and Language (2 yrs in UL) require graduates from psychology, health sciences, sociology etc. Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 48

Many students also avail of Postgrad Opportunities in the UK: Example: A popular route Many students also avail of Postgrad Opportunities in the UK: Example: A popular route for many Irish students who are interested in Pharmacy has been to go to the Robert Gordon University in Aberdeen for 4 yrs after they have completed a degree in Science Example 2: Graduates from a discipline like Sports Science or a Health Science could do a postgrad in the UK in Physiotherapy (2 yrs). Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 49

UK Option! l l l l l There a number of accelerated degrees in UK Option! l l l l l There a number of accelerated degrees in the Health Sciences available in the UK in courses such as: Nursing OT Speech and Language Therapy Physiotherapy Radiography Medicine Dentistry If interested in any of these RESEARCH NOW so you do the right undergrad!! Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 50

Specific learning Difficulties l l Students with a disability or a specific learning difficulty Specific learning Difficulties l l Students with a disability or a specific learning difficulty such as dyslexia can indicate this on their CAO form Once students tick this box on their CAO form they are asked to fill in a Supplementary Information Form which involves details about what kind of help they received in school and how the disability or learning difficulty has effected their learning Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 51

DARE Application l l l Students with a learning difficulty or a disability are DARE Application l l l Students with a learning difficulty or a disability are also given the opportunity to apply through the Disability Access Route to Education (DARE) This is a new procedure on the CAO that may allow a student with a SLD or a disability entry to a course even if they are short some of the points Not everybody that has a SLD is guaranteed entry through DARE Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 52

DARE l l l Only a certain number of colleges are part of the DARE l l l Only a certain number of colleges are part of the DARE scheme Students must have a psychological report or medical report in order to qualify for the DARE scheme If students are not accepted for the DARE scheme they will compete with all other CAO applicants. Their application to DARE will not affect their CAO application in any way. Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 53

HEAR l l The Higher Education Access Route (HEAR) is a third level admissions HEAR l l The Higher Education Access Route (HEAR) is a third level admissions scheme for school leavers from socio-economically disadvantaged backgrounds. It is NOT a maintanence grant – it is an admissions scheme to help students who might not traditionally go to third level. Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 54

The HEAR Application l School leavers who present satisfactory evidence relating to their socio-economic The HEAR Application l School leavers who present satisfactory evidence relating to their socio-economic circumstances and satisfy matriculation/minimum entry and subject requirements are eligible to compete for a quota of places allocated to applicants on a reduced points basis across these HEIs Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 55

Applications for HEAR l School leavers who wish to be considered for the HEAR Applications for HEAR l School leavers who wish to be considered for the HEAR scheme must indicate this in the appropriate section in Part A of the application form before March 1 st l You will then be asked to complete a number of additional questions relating to your family’s financial situation; employment status of parents; and school(s) attended Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 56

Applications for HEAR and DARE: l All applicants for HEAR must complete this part Applications for HEAR and DARE: l All applicants for HEAR must complete this part of the application online at www. cao. ie as part of the CAO application process. Applications for HEAR consideration can only be made online l Applications for both HEAR and DARE must be made by the 1 st March Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 57

Grants l 3 rd level grants are means accessed l Students who want to Grants l 3 rd level grants are means accessed l Students who want to go to university can apply for a grant , contact www. studentfinance. ie l More information can be got at www. studentfinance. ie SUSSI new more efficient system ! l Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 58

Remember! l Ø Ø You need to be around for the time immediately after Remember! l Ø Ø You need to be around for the time immediately after the Leaving Certificate results in order to take care of the following: accepting your offer If you want to view a script If you want to get any paper rechecked To sort out your accommodation! Ø Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 59

Scholarships: l Academic Schlorships based on academic preformance and awarded by college. l Sports Scholarships: l Academic Schlorships based on academic preformance and awarded by college. l Sports Scholarships apply to individual college eg hurling, rowing, basketball etc l Other Scholarships : Intel engineering , sometimes l companies may offer scholarships to colleges E. g over 40 different scholarships or bursaries in UL alone Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 60

Accommodation Most colleges have officer and can advise on accommodation § On Campus is Accommodation Most colleges have officer and can advise on accommodation § On Campus is probably best Make friends with other 1 st years Utilitiy bills paid to management company Better chance of settling in to college near activities. § Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 61

Ucas english System l l 15 Oct 2013 - medical and vet sciences Cambridge Ucas english System l l 15 Oct 2013 - medical and vet sciences Cambridge /Oxford universities All other courses 15 January 2014 Different system : Register, Personal Statement, predicted Grades, Reference and sometimes interview Research Courses thoroughly Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 62

Useful Resources l l l College Prospectuses – 2014 Entry Careersportal + Reach Programme Useful Resources l l l College Prospectuses – 2014 Entry Careersportal + Reach Programme CAO Handbook 2014 www. Qualifax. ie www. Careerdirections. ie www. gotocollege. ie §Thank You Breda Whelan, Guidance Counsellor 2014 63